Steve “Zetro” Souza has opened up about his latest departure from EXODUS, saying that he “definitely” has “no desire” to play with the band ever again.
Three months ago, it was announced that EXODUS had parted ways with the singer and had been rejoined by Rob Dukes.
Souza joined EXODUS in 1986 after previously fronting the band LEGACY (which later became TESTAMENT). He remained in the band until their hiatus in 1993, but rejoined them for two years from 2002 to 2004. Dukes had joined EXODUS in 2005 (following Souza‘s departure) and remained until 2014, when Souza rejoined.
Souza discussed his most recent split with EXODUS during a new episode of his Zetro’s Toxic Vault YouTube series in which he is joined by his longtime friend and co-host Walter Morgan. Addressing the reasons for his departure, Zetro said in part (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): “I’ve been doing this since 1986 —1986, in June, I joined EXODUS for the very first time. I was 22 years old. I’m now 61. So to have kind of a rollercoaster ride in music has actually been kind of exciting,. It kept my life going. Certain things happen and certain things go on, and you kind of have to deal with them as they happen, like anything.”
Clarifying that he “did not quit” EXODUS and “was let go”, Souza continued: “I don’t read much of what goes on the Internet. With no disrespect to anybody, I don’t give a fuck what anybody thinks about me or what you say… But I was made privy by my son of something Gary [Holt, EXODUS guitarist and main songwriter] had responded to me saying that I didn’t quit; I was let go. And I have to agree with his analogy. Being in a band is like a marriage — it truly is — and the marriage was over. And it was. Now, I was never gonna quit, meaning maybe I guess I would never leave the marriage, for whatever reason. But I truly think that it was probably the right thing for me especially, and I hope it’s the right thing for them as well.”
Regarding his mindset after his latest departure from EXODUS, Souza said: “People were calling me — my friends and my family — asking me if I was okay. And I was fine. I was, like, ‘I’m great.’ I’m really, really happy and more content. And again, we’re in April now, and this went down in January. And actually, I knew in December — I knew before anybody knew, before it was announced. And I was cool with it.”
Speaking directly to the EXODUS fans, Zetro said: “I’m gonna miss you guys. I really am. But for me, my life has changed a lot. What I liked when I was younger in my twenties and my thirties are not necessarily what I’m into anymore. I love my family. I mean, I came home and got married to Vickie, who I’ve been with for 17 years, and she is the love of my life. And you know how hard it is to go away from the love of my life at this point, at 61 years old for five weeks, six weeks at a time? It wasn’t easy for me, even though it may not have shown on stage, and it definitely didn’t show when I was with you guys, with you fans, and anybody that approached me because I would never want anyone to have an awful experience with me. But I think it was time, honestly.
“I had told Gary, and I told them that I would like to do this till I was 70 and probably not much more than that, but I think in the back of my mind I think I was kind of already done with the rigorous life of touring, ’cause it’s very demanding,” Souza admitted. “And the business doesn’t care about what you have going on. [I’ll] give you an example — in 2016, my mother died and I was in El Salvador on tour. I should have been at her bedside, but I wasn’t, because I had to do this. I’ve had dogs pass. I’ve missed graduations from my children. Any musician that has been in my position can absolutely relate with this, because it is part of it. And a lot of times people don’t necessarily think of that. And then there’s the guys, there’s the musicians that really like to do this, and they’ll go out and they’ll hit it hard. They’ll go from one thing to another.”
Elaborating on his reasons for wanting to spend less time on the road, Zetro said: “I’ve changed over the past few years, even in the last 10 years since I’ve been back. And I think I’m more interested in what’s going on in my house and around what I’m doing here. I like to see my dogs every day. I have three pugs that absolutely love. I have a grandson now. I never get to see them. I wanna see my wife every day. I wanna sleep in my bed every day. It’s been something that mentally has gone on and changed. But again, I would’ve never quit because I’m not a quitter in that type of respect. Everybody’s, ‘Oh, well, you quit in 2004.’ No, I had to leave the band because I had a union job, three little kids and a wife, and I was trying to balance working as a foreman, as a union job, being a father, coaching baseball and soccer, and being a husband and playing in EXODUS, and I couldn’t balance all three. The thing that I loved the most was playing in EXODUS, but, unfortunately, it could not take care of my wife and my kids and ballerina signups, baseball signups. The business wasn’t paying that much at the time, so I needed to go and take care of my family… So coming back into the band in 2014, kids are grown, I’m set in my job. I was very, very excited. And again, I had a really good time over the last 10 years playing in the band. And it was one of those things that I have to say I’m kind of glad that I’ve ended up where I’m at right now, I don’t like airports anymore. I don’t like sleeping on the tour bus anymore… So I’m not saying that this was a decision that I would’ve made, but I’m saying for myself and to have a few months to look at it, it was definitely the right decision.”
Souza went on to say that EXODUS fans should continue to support the band now that Dukes has returned to the group.
“I look at it now as, what about all you guys that are big fans of Rob‘s era? Just think — now you get to come back and see Rob maybe for the next 10 years and see him continue on,” Zetro said. “So if you were fans of his era, like you were fans of my era, or both eras — I know there’s some of you [that are] ‘I’m [Team] Zetro‘ or ‘I’m [Team] Rob‘, or whatever, ‘I’m cool with whatever EXODUS does,’ I get it. And I totally understand that, and I respect every one of you for those things. But now maybe for the last part of the band they get to enjoy Rob and Rob‘s era of the band. I mean, Gary‘s gonna continue to write music and record music. And Gary Holt doesn’t know how to write a shitty riff. Okay? So you EXODUS fans know what you’re gonna get from that, and that’s what I have to say.”
Souza also addressed the possibility of another reunion with EXODUS down the line, saying: “Will I ever grace the stage with them? No, definitely not. I think it’s been done. This was the third time that I had joined the band, so I think it would be a bit redundant to try to do this or do this again. So just so you guys wanna know, I have no desire to do that ever again. It’s been done. If you saw my last concert in Los Angeles at the Regent [in December 2024], then you truly saw the last concert that Zetro will ever sing with EXODUS.”
Zetro added that he went out on top, both in term of his live performance with EXODUS and his relationship with the band’s fans.
“If you saw us on the last tour with HAVOK, then, honestly, I was singing better than I’ve ever sung through the years,” Souza said. “So I don’t feel that it was something that, vocally… I did my job — I did my job quite well — and even they’ll tell you that. And the fans, you guys know that I bring it. Every time I come, I bring it. And that’s just the way it is. And if you walked up to me for a picture or an autograph, I never would say no and I’ve never pushed you guys away. I would hang out and talk to you about stuff. How many of you fans have spent time after the show talking to me about whatever? Horror, movies, metal sports, whatever. I’ll sit out there and talk to you guys ’cause I’ve never considered myself above anybody.”
Asked what specifically he didn’t enjoy about the touring lifestyle, Zetro said: “Too much time in the day. Waiting to wait. It’s a lot of waiting. Going to an airport, waiting four hours for the flight, getting on the flight for five hours, getting to where you’ve gotta go. Then you have another six-hour layover before you have another five-hour flight. And line one, line two, security this, security that. I don’t have the patience for that anymore. The bus — I know this sounds very pompous. I was very fortunate to get to tour in a bus. I know bands that do not tour in buses… But for me, the bunk started to be very, very uncomfortable. And the only time I could get in there was when I truly had to sleep. But as soon as I woke up, I got up. So there’s too much time in a day for you to go to museums or comic bookstores or me to go buy toys and whatever I do on the road. It is just a lot of downtime, and I feel as now 61 years old, I wanna do other things in that downtime. And I don’t wanna be doing this, and all of a sudden I end up getting sick or my wife end up getting sick and one of my children, and I have to come home and I’ve got six months to live, or they’ve got six months to live and I’ve missed all of this with them and I missed it all. I don’t want to do that anymore. I’ve missed too much over the years, and it’s just kind of where I’ve been mentally — especially the last few years I’ve been thinking about that.”
EXODUS played its first concert with Dukes in nearly 11 years on April 5 at the Decibel Magazine Metal & Beer Fest: Philly at the Fillmore in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Dukes previously joined EXODUS in January 2005 and appeared on four of the band’s studio albums — “Shovel Headed Kill Machine” (2005),“The Atrocity Exhibition… Exhibit A” (2007),“Let There Be Blood” (2008, a re-recording of EXODUS‘s classic 1985 LP, “Bonded By Blood”) and “Exhibit B: The Human Condition” (2010).
In a recent interview with CBS SF, Holt was asked if there was any thought of even considering a different singer with the band after parting ways with Zetro. Gary said: “You mean now? No. I don’t like change, for one. I never intended to make any of these vocalist changes. Not Rob the first time, and not Steve 1745430856. But at 60 years old, all of us, we all demand to be happy and be surrounded by happiness. We did some amazing music with Steve back. Amazing. [EXODUS‘s latest LP] ‘Persona Non Grata’ is my second favorite album in our whole catalog. But we’re moving forward.”
He continued: “I didn’t want to bring in a young guy. Yeah, we could have brought in some 30-year-old guy who’s young and has abs and can still jump off drum risers. [Laughs] That sounds appealing, but I like familiarity. Rob keeps me laughing, and he’s an amazing singer. And he’s one of my best friends. So that was kind of a no-brainer. I mean, I don’t know how much longer we could play this kind of ferocious stuff. Over the years, we’ve just gotten faster and the songs have gotten harder to play as the arthritis gets worse. So we’re going to just keep going for it as long as we can.”
After interviewer Dave Pehling noted that Holt wrote in his just-released memoir, “A Fabulous Disaster: From The Garage To Madison Square Garden, The Hard Way”, that the EXODUS members were at the best place that they had been in their whole career, Gary said: “It’s one of those things. And I’ve got nothing but love for [Zetro]. It’s not like the last time he left the band, when it was on really bad terms. At 60 years old, this job gets fucking hard. And if you don’t like to travel, and no longer like to be out on the road and and you want to cut the touring way back and all that, we can no longer make a living at this. We literally would have to go get day jobs. That’s pretty much what happened. One guy wasn’t enjoying it anymore. And none of us enjoy being away from home all the time. It sucks. My happy place is being around my family. I can speak for all of us, Steve included. But while I can — this whole age thing — while I can still tour for six weeks and crush it and go out and play seven, eight, nine shows in a row, I’m going to do it. Until I can’t, and then I’ll slow down. But if we start slowing down now, eventually it’s just going to come to a stop.”
When EXODUS announced Souza‘s latest departure on January 15, the band wrote in a statement: “We thank Steve for his years fronting the band and all the killer music we made during that time. We wish him only the best in the future and much success with anything he does.
“And please help us welcome Rob Dukes back to EXODUS! We are beyond stoked to have Rob back ripping up the stage with us and he’s looking forward to crushing everything like only he can.
“Next chapter begins, new record rolls along as planned and the beatings will continue.”
Although EXODUS rarely gets mentioned alongside the so-called “Big Four” of 1980s thrash metal — METALLICA, MEGADETH, SLAYER and ANTHRAX — the aforementioned “Bonded By Blood” LP inspired the likes of TESTAMENT, DEATH ANGEL, VIO-LENCE and many others to launch their careers and is considered one of the most influential thrash metal albums of all time.
Source: blabbermouth.net
